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Post by thebruce on Jun 1, 2010 13:57:03 GMT -5
Redding does the 502,followed by Alexiov with 507. But it is clear that Alexiov uses leg drive his knees bend so how did that pass? Both big men are amazingly strong. Whaddaya think??
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Post by McLifter on Jun 1, 2010 21:16:19 GMT -5
I read an article by Alexiev where he stated that he knew certain lifters were stronger than him (Redding was one of them) but when it came to the contest they could not outlift him. He always felt that it was important to perform where it counted .....on the platform in front of the judges. As to his form, this was the main reason why the C&P was dropped from competition. The Russians continued to push the envelope with how much lean back they used and the quick knee bend which was never part of the original press. If you want an impressive press to look at see if youtube has Doug Hepburn's World Record in Sweden from 1954. Now THAT was a strict press. Also, still the official Superheavyweight world record because of the weight reclassification ( I think). McLifter
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Post by thebruce on Jun 2, 2010 14:24:21 GMT -5
I agree Redding does a better job of hitting 502 than Alexiev 507. Hepburns 380 was rock solid no back flex or leg drive and a nice split clean to get it up. Man I would be happy if I could do my BW(which is still up from the SUMO canoe trip)
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Post by Rehband on Jun 2, 2010 19:33:11 GMT -5
Brock hit the nail on the head there Bruce, the press was eliminated in 1973 because it was just too hard to judge. There was also very little (zero) will to reset the records and tighten up the criteria. On the positive side, the snatch and C&J numbers rocketed upwards afterwards. From what I understand, lifters were pretty drained by the time the C&J event came around. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs8svOg9c9owww.youtube.com/watch?v=NnLCYhfwVeI&feature=related
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Post by Harv on Jun 2, 2010 19:42:32 GMT -5
Not quite a fair comparison as Hepburn could never get 500 lbs to his shoulders.He had a bad leg so he never really pushed his leg strength.The other side of the coin is that the 500 lb lifts would have not been drug free where as Hepburn would have been for sure.Talk to Bert,he knew Hepburn reasonably well when he lived in BC. Harv
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Post by Rehband on Jun 4, 2010 9:11:34 GMT -5
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Post by thebruce on Jun 4, 2010 9:34:07 GMT -5
June 3 2010
Step Up BWx20 1 legged Calf Raise BWx20
Tire Drag 4 rocks 100 steps forward 100 steps backwardx2 StepUp BW+ Big Rockx20 1 legged Calf Raise BW+ Big Rockx20 Tire Drag 6 rocks 100 forward 100 backward x2 Step Up BW+ Big Rockx15 1 legged Calf Raise BW+ Big Rockx15 Tire Drag 8 rocks 100 forward 100 backward x2 29 back ward ( alittle extra to get it home my steps out wer longer than my steps back imagine)
Thats it I cut the grass with a push mower for an hour afterwards. I was gonna do 10 step ups and 10 calf raises with the big rock to finish but judging from the way my legs felt I was done. There was a bit left in the tank but that is the way to end it. Those old school lifters before steroids are really admirable. I do not care if lifters want to juice,but I do care if they lie about it. I would love to see the 1st place finishers all tested in a drug free association,and any one who sets a record as well. I lifted in 3 different weight classes no threat by any stretch but some of the guys who beat me I know used drugs. I still got a lot out of competition and the camaderie at the gym or a meet was a big part of it. Hiding out in the basement or back yard is conveinient but I believe a lifter needs to WO with others to be thier best. I appreciate the connection on this forum,and as you can see love to ramble.
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Post by Rehband on Jun 4, 2010 13:36:16 GMT -5
Well Bruce if I (hypothetically) had unlimited access to the juice, I don't think that my numbers would be much higher than they are now. My joints and tendons would be the limiting factor (no sport is worth sacrificing my mobility). I'm also guilty of rambling on occasion; there's nothing like a good yarn unimpeded by facts and truth.
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Post by Rehband on Jun 4, 2010 13:50:41 GMT -5
The first half of your workout is quite respectable, but cutting the grass with a push-mower is just inhuman. Have to admire your endurance. Cheers
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Post by thebruce on Jun 8, 2010 16:06:19 GMT -5
June 5th 2010 Clean and Press barx10 95x6 115x3 135x2,3,5 145x2,3,5, 155x2,3,5 Wide Pull Up BWx6 BW+25x3 BW+35x3 BW+45x2,3,5 Band assisted dips 2 purple bands x6,10 1 purple band x6,full ROM trying to get back into these. June 7 Tire drag 5 rocks 100 steps forward 100 back x 2 Front Squat BW+ big rock x10 SLDL big rock x 10 1 leg cal raise big rock x 10 2 leg big rock x 10 Tire Drag 7 rocks 100 forward 100 backward x2 Front Squat big rock x10 SLDL big rock x10 1 leg calg raise big rock x 10 2 leg big rock x10 Tire drag 6 rocks 100 forward 100 back x 2 Front Squat big rock x 10 SLDL big rock x10 1 leg calf raise big rockx10 2 leg big rockx10. Gonna do 2 TD WO a week with one clean and press and one speed bench WO a week for a few weeks. I am liken the clean and press but still not going heavy.
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Post by Rehband on Jun 9, 2010 19:17:24 GMT -5
10 C&P @ 155lbs is still quite a shoulder WO. Is everything holding up OK so far?
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Post by thebruce on Jun 10, 2010 11:45:26 GMT -5
Yep the shoulders like the C&P, 155 is a lot less weight than say 255 which is what I was doing 3x3 with in the BP. Thanks fer payin attention. What do you recomend for C&P? June 8th 2010 Speed Bench barx10 95x6 115x3 135x3 140x3 145x3 150x3 155x3 160x3 x 2 DBR 50x10 75x8 95x6 105x6x3 Close Grip BP 185x5 1bd 205x5 2 bd 225x3 3 bd 225x3 2 bd 225x3 1 bd 225x3 Rear Delt Raise 22.5x12 32.5x12x2 Hammer curls 47.5x10x2 I am liken the clse grips with the speed BP. Keepin the bar speed up may add some bands soon.
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Post by thebruce on Jun 14, 2010 11:45:24 GMT -5
June 11th 2010 Tire Drag 4 rocks 50 forward 50 back Step Up BWx20 1 leg calf raise BWx20 TD 6 rocks 100 forward 100 back Step up Big Rock x 10 1 Leg calf raise big rock x 10 TD 8 rocks 100 forward 100 backx2 Step up big rockx20 1 leg calf raise big rock x10 2 leg big rock x10
Wet road hard pullin so dialed back first 2 sets and really hit it last 1. June 12 2010 Clean and press barx3x3 95x3x3 115x3 135x2 145x2 155x2 165x2 175x2 PB 185x1 PB 145x5,3,2 Wide Pull Up BWx3x3 BW+25x3 BW+35x3 BW+45x1x8 Band assisted Dips 2 purple bandsx10 1 purple bandx6,8 Well I hit 185 for a clean and press and 185 was my goal for this 6 week cycle. Who knows may get a double in a couple of WO's. My right knee giving me grief again,but seein the knee doc on weds so maybe some help on the way.
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Post by McLifter on Jun 14, 2010 21:42:35 GMT -5
185 for the C&P is EXCELLENT!!! Congratulations big guy! That is some good work there. Now is the plan to back off for a bit and start over in a few weeks?
Brock
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Post by Rehband on Jun 16, 2010 20:08:30 GMT -5
Congrats on the 185 there Bruce, can't really offer much advice as you're doing great on your own. I'll echo Brock's sentiments: there's nothing more difficult than backing off when you're on a roll (Las Vegas was founded on this principle, the end result is similar). Can't progress if you don't allow some time for recovery.
As for technical advice on the C&P, Harv may be one of your better sources. I can probably help tune up the first half, but Harv was a first-class presser in his day.
Cheers, Al
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